“Unless we really take care of ourselves and meet our own needs… we can’t give anything to anybody else”
Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Sam Liebowitz on how to incorporate spiritual life into everyday living.
Are you feeling the need to create something new in your life? Conscious Consultant, Sam Liebowitz helps hundreds of people make more conscious, ethical and moral choices when it comes to their business, career and their life. His mentoring and coaching services focused on finding the energetic blocks that prevent his clients from moving forward in their lives, work on actionable items to change their perspectives, and lift their attitudes and feelings around the situations that caused them the most struggle.
In this episode, Sam talks about ways to accept your condition and how to start healing. He also talks about hereditary diseases and Dr. Veronica’s share her experience with clinical depression. Listen to the end for practical ways to take action and make positive changes in your life today.
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35: Show Notes
Dr. Veronica Anderson’s Links:
Dark Nights of the Soul – Thomas Moore
04:45 – Discovering intuitive abilities
08:20 – Self-healing
11:00 – Health harming emotions
13:58 – Accepting your condition
17:00 – Hereditary diseases
19:00 – Integrating spiritual experiences
21:01 – Clinical depression
24:40 – Making a change
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If you’d like to have access to our entire back catalog visit drveronica.com for instant access. Here’s your host, Dr. Veronica.
Dr. Veronica: I’m Dr. Veronica and this is Wellness for the Real World. You can find me at drveronica.com. On-demand, listen to back episodes if you hear about or refer to something that’s interesting to you then go look. And there’s some episodes I’m sure that you want to see.
I also have with me my co-host, Russell. Hi Russell. How are you?
Russell: I’m doing great Veronica. How are you?
Dr. Veronica: Great. We’ve been talking about our intuitive senses, our spiritual senses. And most people think these are kind of crazy, left field wackadoodle things. But the more I’m out there talking to people, it’s one of those everybody knows that they have a spiritual side.
There’s some people out there who believe that there’s nothing else going on other than that they’re just what we would call a meat soup. But most of us understand that there’s something going on outside ourselves. And what I found over the years, and Russell, you can comment on this too because I know you’ve had different types of religious experiences and also spiritual experiences. And the two are very vastly different, that we want to know how do we incorporate our spiritual life into our everyday living.
And so we’re going to talk a little bit about that. But let me just talk, people say I’m spiritual and I’m not religious. There are some people who very dogmatically associate with one religion or another. And we’re fighting wars all over the world about one religion versus another. And these wars have been going on since the beginning of time over religiosity. Because those of us who are spiritual and spiritual beings understand that we are all spiritual beings.
And I don’t care what you look like, where you’re from, what your clothes are like, how you smell, what language you speak, you and I are connected. We are one. And therefore because we are one I’m going to do everything I can to protect you and lift you up. I would never dream about doing something to hurt you.
Those of us who are spiritual beings understand that. We understand that intuitively. For me, part of my helping has manifested as a conventional physician first, but now I’m in the intuitive field. I have a very interesting guest. You’re going to love this gentleman. Not that you don’t love all my guests, because I get some interesting people here.
But this gentleman, Sam Liebowitz, he’s also a fellow radio host and has his own station, Talking Alternative, go on talkingalternative.com. There are shows every day. He has some really interesting shows. He does an interesting show himself.
He’s a conscious consultant. He’s a serial entrepreneur. And he’s going to help us understand about integrating spiritual experiences in the daily life. This is something that’s important, and I’m not talking about going and praying all the time or anything like that. If that’s what works for you, fine, you do that. But we want to know how do we know from a spiritual perspective what to do, how can we follow our instincts and intuition, and live it on a day-to-day basis without just saying, “Praise the Lord. Thank you Jesus.” I’m doing the black Baptist thing. Because I was in the black Baptist traditional… “Praise the Lord. Have a blessed day.”
When I was in church it was so unspiritual to me. This is for me. For the rest of you out there if that’s what works for you that’s absolutely fine. But you know when I found the universe, the creator of all, that is when I stepped away from religion. Then I started having these spiritual experiences.
I want to welcome Sam Liebowitz to Wellness for the Real World. Hi Sam, how are you?
Sam: Great Veronica. Thank you so much for having me on the show. I really appreciate it. And I really appreciate the work you’re doing getting the word out.
Dr. Veronica: Thank you so much. I know that you have this background also. You’re a serial entrepreneur but you also have to discover your intuitive side. Tell us a little bit about that.
Sam: As with most people I’ve been kind of on a spiritual path my whole life, though it may not have always seemed like it. The universe is a funny place. It tends to guide us in the direction that it wants us to go, whether we really want to or not. And back when I was in college and when I was younger I was very much entrenched into the spiritual, the fringe at the time, very esoteric kinds of stuff.
And for various reasons I kind of left that all behind me, and I really was just focusing on business and making money. And what happened over the years is I sort of discovered all these different healing techniques, and became Reiki master, and became proficient in various healing techniques, mostly from my own healing.
I was not really with any intention of ever becoming a healer, until one day I was in this workshop and I was learning this new method. I was working with this woman. She released a condition she had had since she was six years old. And then all of a sudden the light bulb goes off and it’s like, “Oh, this isn’t just for my own healing, I can help other people too.”
As I learned, sort of understand more and more the energetic nature of everything around us and ourselves I began to understand that things we have a tendency to think are solid and firm are actually much more malleable and changeable than we like to think.
Dr. Veronica: Interesting. In learning different healing techniques I also found that people used to tell me when I first started doing my show over the internet, “I love to listen to your voice. Your voice sounds so…” I actually discovered that I could talk to people and change their energy and physiology. And so some of the distance work I’ve done with people is I would make for them audios. I would speaking into them, power I’ll call it, so that their physiology could change.
One thing I want to say about people who call themselves healers, I just want to make the distinction. I’ve had a clairvoyant say, “You’re a healer. You’ve always been a healer. Through a lot of your soul life that’s been one of your primary purposes is to be a healer.”
But what I’ve also realized is that I am not the healer myself but the witness to it. I am conduit. And so as I in conventional medicine was practicing as an eye doctor I was a conduit to do the skills for helping people maintain or get back their sight. It’s the same in these energetic fields. Because I have a seen a lot of people worship those who know how to move energy, or understand how to help somebody else move their energy.
One of the important pieces to realize for people who are interested in energy healing is that the person who is getting worked on, they have to be open to the release themselves. They have to have their energy field open. And then that person who is helping them is basically witnessing everything’s that’s going on. And they can see it in their mind’s eye or however their skills are, be able to see how to help this. Some people lay on hands, other people do it by distance.
And so have you found that it’s more of you witnessing and knowing how to help somebody else get things moved in clear versus you’re like the energetic surgeon yourself? What have you noticed Sam?
Sam: I 100% agree with you that all healing is really self-healing. Really what we do as healers is just support the energetic system to come back into balance. When you cut your finger and you have a scratch, we put a band aid on it. And then a few days later we take the band aid off and what do we see? The scratch is gone. It’s healed. Did the band aid do the healing? No, the body did the healing itself automatically. We are natural self-healing mechanisms.
If the body can do that for a scratch why can’t they do that for everything else? And the answer is actually it can given the proper support. And most importantly given the proper internal development and internal understanding and shifts in change, which is why now I really focus much more on helping people to kind of integrate these spiritual lessons into their day-to-day life.
Because if I come in and somebody has a back problem, they have a lot of pain. And I might be able to help them to move that energy, and to release that pain, and then they feel fine. But if internally they haven’t changed and haven’t let go of that thing that caused the stress, that caused them to tighten up so much that caused the pain, in a few days that pain is going to come back because they haven’t made the shift themselves.
Now I really much more focus on, although I can provide immediate relief for people. And sometimes in certain conditions that’s what’s necessary. You need to provide relief to then work with them to come back into balance. But ultimately if the person isn’t making the change and shifts themselves, these energetic imbalances which I believe are sort of the underlying fundamental cause of all disuse in the body, if they haven’t made the shifts or changes these imbalances are going to come back. And they’re either going to get the same condition back again, or it’s going to resurface in a different way.
Dr. Veronica: For all of you out there who know all this and are know-it-all’s, I’m going to go over something that you may or may not have heard before. But I want everybody to understand that you are a big energy system. You’re made up of energy. And so if you’re a practitioner of yoga or if you follow some of the Asian medical arts you understand about these different energies and they’re called different things, chi, life force, and all that other type of stuff.
But there are seven main energy centers in our body. And if any of them gets out of balance you manifest the disease. And that disease and/or injury, that disease can be emotional or physical, an actual physical disease. And so as I’ve said we call about stress, the fear, anger, and sadness are the health harming emotions. And when you cannot figure out how to deal with those, the fear, anger, and sadness you hold it in. And a lot of us have been taught to hold that in, and you make yourself sick. But you don’t always have to erupt. You make yourself sick.
When we’re talking about this it’s of utmost importance for people to learn how to deal with that fear, anger, and sadness on a spiritual and energetic level in order for them to be able to heal. And I can tell you, you will see somebody with a major illness and they’ll come through it, and other people who won’t.
And the difference that I’ve noticed especially after looking back over time were the people who are able to get their spiritual self in order, are the people who if they want it, if they understand that healing is part of their sole journey, they’re able to heal and be well. And they say, “Oh my god, my illness is the best thing that ever happened to me. My injury is the best thing that ever happened to me.”
Those people who never get their soul well and understand what the challenge is. Because your illness and your injuries are presented to you as challenges. And the major life challenges that most of us will go through are some type of medical talent, some type of illness, injury, pain is really a big thing. If you have pain you’re having a challenge day-to-day. People like Sam can help you almost instantaneously.
But as we mentioned, as we also want you to know that whatever brought on that pain in the first place, and usually underlying pain is a lot of times anger, especially in this country, we’re a really angry society. If you don’t get that together then you’re going to go back and either have the pain back in the same place, or you’re going to have a pain in another place, or another illness and injury in that same energy center because you didn’t deal with it.
Russell, jump in and talk to Sam about integrating spiritual experiences in the daily life.
Russell: Hi Sam, welcome to the show. It’s interesting listening to you. I’m thinking about myself and my own little journeys with these things. I have experienced healing myself on issues small and large, and have been just astonished by it.
Some have stock, some have not. In my experience if you’ve experienced a healing, the hardest part is really accepting it. The hardest part is that… Fear kind of creeps back in, fear that is can’t be real, oh that can’t possibly work. That’s the danger in returning me to my regular thought patterns and squandering the great spot I was in.
Sam: Russell, I’m going to disagree with you slightly. This is a little bit of a distinction here. Actually the hardest part is not really accepting the healing. The hardest part is accepting the condition or the disease. Because the thing is we have a tendency to think like this, the condition we have or the situation as something we need to get rid of and get away from. And they don’t want it. And so we ignore what the lesson is in the condition.
When something comes up it’s the body trying to tell us something. There’s a lesson in there for us. And not only is there a lesson in there for us but if we take responsibility that we’ve in some way created this, attracted this, that we’ve cost this to happen, it becomes a tremendous opportunity for deep self-exploration and discovery that can take us so far beyond it. But in order to be able to accept the healing you first have to accept the fact that we have created this condition to begin with.
But in this society we’re taught to play the role of the victim. “This happened to me. It happened because there’s junk in the water. Or my food’s dirty. This happened because of what this other person did.” And we constantly put it on to other people what’s happened to us instead of recognizing that we are the creators of our lives that we are. Let’s face it, even on a practical level we create our life every single day, from the million and one little decisions that we make today, yesterday, last week, last month, last year, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.
So we first come to the understanding that we created. There’s something here for us to learn. Then we can really allow the healing to come in once we get what that lesson is.
Dr. Veronica: But Sam, breast cancer runs in my family. We have the breast cancer gene. Everybody in my family’s fat. Everybody’s got the diabetes. Are you telling me that I created my obesity? Are you telling me I have stage 4 breast cancer? You’re blaming me for giving me stage 4 breast cancer? Why would I do that?
Sam: First of all I don’t blame anybody because I’m not saying any of it is bad. I’m saying it’s an amazing opportunity for healing. Just because something runs in the family does not mean you have to have it. There are millions of cases of people in families with genetic predispositions towards these conditions that never contract it. If one person doesn’t contract it, that means it’s not true 100% of the time.
And more recently, the latest medical research, this new field they call epigenetics, which shows that based on what we do we can actually affect the expression of our genes, that just because everybody else in our family has contracted the type 2 diabetes does not mean we have to contract it.
However, if we buy into this societal norm of, “Everybody in my family has it so I must contract it,” then of course you’re going to contract it, because, again, you’re not taking responsibility and you’re playing the victim. I don’t believe in victims. Nobody is a victim. We are creators, and I believe in empowering people to be able to step into their lives more fully and to see it as an opportunity.
I know so many people who have in themselves undergone tremendous healing in the family where everyone else was sick. And because they were able to accept the healing and change, so then they were able to help others to heal as well.
Dr. Veronica: Give us something practical here, because we’re talking very theoretical and high level. I know you’re a very practical person, and we’re talking about integrating these spiritual experiences, because an illness is a definitely a spiritual experience. Practically what would we do?
Sam: The first thing is, just a simple technique is there’s some symptom in your body, there’s some discomfort. Maybe it’s in your feet, in your hands, in your back, in your neck, to just sit quietly, take some deep breaths, go internal, and go just in your mind’s eye, in your imagination, go to that part in your body and just ask it, “Why are you in pain? Why is this happening? What do you have to teach me? What is the lesson in this? What am I doing that caused this to happen?” Just sit and be quiet with ourselves with it and just wait for something to come up.
And if it doesn’t come up right away, that’s okay. You do it for as long as you can do it. Then you stop. Take a break. Do something completely different. Come back and do it again. And you do it again. And you do it again. And you do it again. And if you just stay with it long enough eventually something’s going to come up.
My back is bothering me because I don’t feel supported. My feet are bothering me because I don’t want to move forward about this very difficult decision. My hands are bothering me because I’m just so tired of working. I need a break. You’re not taking care of yourself, take care of me. There is so much intelligence in the body, we just don’t pay attention to it. Just start paying attention with the body. Sit with it.
The other thing too is we have a tendency to always distract ourselves. Because something is a little bit uncomfortable we don’t want to pay attention to it. We’re always distracting ourselves, when actually it’s the exact opposite we need to do, is not to distract ourselves but to really sit with it and be with it, and ask it, What is the message that you have for me?
Dr. Veronica: That’s interesting you would say that because I went through an experience of clinical depression. That clinical depression was so severe at the time. I went to a psychologist and she thought maybe I need to consider medication. I ended up not taking medication because I was really against it. I had to go twice a week. And I could barely get from appointment to appointment.
But what she said to me when I was going through that… First of all she said, “You know what, people learn from these types of experiences. Maybe you need to just sit with it a bit.” Can you imagine telling somebody they need to sit with their depression for a bit.
And she also gave me a book about Dark Knights of the Soul, which was a book that talked about people who you would know their names, who had been through clinical depressions, or may have had it for quite a long time. And out of their despair they became these wonderful things.
And I will say, when I went through my clinical depression it was at the time in life where I had jumped out of my life. I jumped out of my medical practice, my first marriage, my religion, I jumped out all at once and I hit the ground. There was nobody there to catch me. It was a dark night. I thought I was going to die. And I was surprised when the sun came up. It was like having a weight on my chest and not being able to breathe. And anybody who’s been through a depression knows what that feels like. “I’m drowning. I’m underwater. How do I get out of this?”
We had counseling session. I was there twice a week and I live from session to session, but sit with it for a while and see what comes out of it. Sometimes out of the ashes comes something very beautiful. I believe I went through that for me but also so I could tell people how you can get out of these depressions, because it wasn’t through medication, it was through all the holistic strategies that I help people with now that I did on myself, which was very difficult. When you’re depressed you don’t feel like doing anything.
But it was a spiritual experience. And it was a time where I was able to look back and reflect on what did I do to get myself in this situation? What did I do to recreate this? Now, how can I move forward and change it? How can do things differently?
I had this one point where I decided, everything I’ve done in my life, all these things haven’t worked. I came to this moment and there are a lot of stuff that hasn’t worked or I wouldn’t be here now. I rose and here I am. You’re listening to my voice.
Sam, we have a few more minutes left integrating these spiritual experiences. I just want to tell you, Sam Liebowitz, talkingalternative.com, and theconsciousconsultant.com. He’s right there in New York City. Get on the train and go in there, and visit him because he does amazing work in lots of ways. Sam, just to wrap things up. We got about three minutes left. What would you have people know about how to take home these spiritual experiences from workshops, religious services, or wherever you believe you’re getting your spiritual experience. How do we take it home and really make a change?
Sam: This is the key thing and what I’m so much about these days is there are so many different practices and so many different ways to come to… Everyone’s different, but to come to these key spiritual experiences, no matter how we get to them, but then we don’t take them back and integrate them into our day-to-day lives.
And so the first thing that I think is so important in the integration is process is community, is having like-minded people around you that you can talk to about it, that you can brainstorm about it. It’s like, “I felt so good over this weekend. I want to carry it with me.”
Of course it’s not necessarily going to be as intense as it was in that ceremony or that workshop, but the whole point of reaching these peak spiritual experiences is it gives us that data point. It gives us that experience. It’s like, “You know what, we are interconnected. You know what, I am a spiritual being having a physical experience.
What does that mean for me and my day-to-day life? What does that mean for, number one, how I treat myself. And number two, how do I treat the people around me. And that’s the first most important thing, community, integration, and self-care. We are so dissuaded from self-care. It’s like we always have to do things for everybody else, but the truth is unless we really take care of ourselves and meet our own needs, what we really emotionally, physically, mentally, spiritually need ourselves, we can’t give anything to anybody else. Because we’re not going to be giving from a place of abundance. We’ll be giving from a place of lack.
Dr. Veronica: Wonderful. I just want to thank you so much Sam for the work you do. I love seeing Sam. He’s part of my tribe. I believe that I fell and crashed, so I would strip away all those people that were not serving and helping me, so I can meet people like Sam and Russell. Because these are people who are part of my new tribe, who every time I interact with them they lift up my own energy.
As you listen to us, as you listen to my voice, as you listen to Russell’s and Sam’s voice, know why do we do this. We do this because we understand our spiritual purpose. We love ourselves. We love you. And we want you to know that you have hope, that you can change. This is what Wellness for the Real World is about. You have to learn how to really pick yourself up and love yourself.
Sam Liebowitz, talkingalternative.com, listen to his show, The Conscious Consultant hour. I’m Dr. Veronica. This is Wellness for the Real World.
Female VO: Thank you for listening to the Wellness Revolution Podcast. If you want to hear more on how to bring wellness into your life visit drveronica.com. See you all next week. Take care.
Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.
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